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Day ~N~ Night in Heaven...hmmm - 11/14/2008 7:51:54 PM
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Superduck77
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Heaven: I got three scriptures for you they are all in Revelation:
Revelation 4:8 The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eye around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying "Holy , holy holy Lord God almighty who was and is to come.
Revelation 7: 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, serve Him day and night in His temple: and He that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
Revelation 12: 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Alright theres the verses: Now to the question or maybe the pondering....each verse says as you see i have place in bold letters "Day and night" before the throne of God
Now yes i do know the verse in Revelation 21:25 and the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Heres the pondering is it possible that before the throne of God which is in heaven that there is…. DAY AND NIGHT ...because the time in Revelation 21:25 is when time is declared to be no more since it is on the new earth and heaven which there is no more sea.
I will say this if you will bear with me. I have searched the bible on this matter and prayed about it
as we all know that He does speak to us and gives knowledge amen.
Heres what i kinda found during my search:
God deals in certain times: such as in numbers, years, cycles, and set of actions
we all know (God's numbers 7, 12, etc....)
What i recieved from this is:
(God is on earths time...for He gave us the sun and moon for our seasons and time...)
Now dont gasp to much again bear with me...i find this interesting and mind boggling and think it may get some good debates...
So God is on earth's time in accordance with the years, numbers, and such... so i gathered the verse in Matthew 24: 32-33 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh...So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors
The fig tree being Israel we as gentiles are told to consider the fig tree in other words watch Israel so I gathered from this
(The gentiles are on Israel’s time until the time of the gentile’s are fulfilled)
Now concerning Israel I gathered from word such as “Jacobs trouble a time times and a half” “The seventy weeks of Daniel” Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week
(Israel is on God’s timing whatever happens in this nation God is in control of it)
To summarize this :
(God is on earth’s time because He deals in seasons, years, cycles)
(Israel is on Gods timing what happens in this nation is up to God)
(The gentiles are on Israel’s time because we are to watch Israel)
Until it is all fulfilled and time is declared no more…again I ask is it possible that there is “DAY AND NIGHT” before the throne of God which is in heaven Revelation 4:2 “And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne”
Alright thats it any comments on this is appreciated as i am interested in the possiblities or the not possiblities of this concept....
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RE: Day ~N~ Night in Heaven...hmmm - 11/14/2008 9:28:34 PM
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I simply take that as a figure of speach meaning "without ceasing". Having said that, there is much in regard to the world to come that is beyond comprehension.
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RE: Day ~N~ Night in Heaven...hmmm - 11/15/2008 4:13:59 PM
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Wow superduck, it seems you have proven the Bible wrong; so I guess I will have to renounce my faith.
PROVEN THE BIBLE WRONG.............. no in fact i quoted the verse in which says that there is no night there but as far as i know that occurs when heaven is upon the NEW EARTH
RENOUNCE YOUR FAITH...how absurd this is...a persons faith is not offened in a theology debate fourm if the person is truely ground....
psalms 1:1-3 1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper
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May I suggest that you spend that much energy trying to find what Scripture says about you and your relationship with God. Might be more productive.
I know the word of God very well I do spend much time reading the word praying but i do not boast of this in fact i see it as an honor to be able to understand and read His lovely word which is so gracefully given.....
my realtionship with JESUS is "Awesome, Wonderful, Joyful, peaceful, Amazing, and oh so much more....says this with a HUGE SMILE ON MY FACE.....because of the following:
Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
Also found in
Mark 13:13 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Thank you for making my day  .........zooms out of fourms...  
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RE: Day ~N~ Night in Heaven...hmmm - 11/15/2008 4:20:29 PM
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Superduck77
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there is much in regard to the world to come that is beyond comprehension.
I agree totally
1Co 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
I truely am gratful that He does LOVE us smiles what an encouraging post you gave thanks for you comments and do find it interesting what you said about a figure of speech.....and am going to look in to this thought futher.....
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RE: Day ~N~ Night in Heaven...hmmm - 11/15/2008 5:11:37 PM
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PROVEN THE BIBLE WRONG.............. no in fact i quoted the verse in which says that there is no night there but as far as i know that occurs when heaven is upon the NEW EARTH
Well oh great Bible Scholar please enlighten us at to when and where "Heaven" will be upon the Earth?
Or are you confusing that with the New Jerusalen?
Waiting on baited breath for your answer.
Thanks
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RE: Day ~N~ Night in Heaven...hmmm - 11/15/2008 7:34:45 PM
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RE: Day ~N~ Night in Heaven...hmmm - 11/15/2008 11:11:01 PM
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Well oh great Bible Scholar
A scholar I am not for a scholar is someone whom has gone to school to learn of the word of God naw I am not that....by far I am a child of the most High God....that seeks TRUTH thur studying His anointed word.
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enlighten us at to when and where "Heaven" will be upon the Earth?
Satan is judged and sentenced….
Revelation 20: 10 - 15 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Earth and heavens we are on now pass away which means they are DEAD…
Judgment begins of all humans… verse 12
Revelation 20: 11-12
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works
AFTER THIS: God creates a NEW Heaven and a NEW Earth wherein Righteousness dwell
Revelation 21: 1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Also cross reverence :
Isaiah 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind
Isaiah 66:22
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain
2 Peter 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
WHY THE NEW: Because this earth and heavens are cursed :
Genesis 3:17-19
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
The heavens are cursed :
Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Now God makes a NEW Heaven and a NEW Earth what is next :
Revelation 21: 2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
John sees a HOLY CITY come down from God out of heaven
Revelation 22 Describes the Holy City Two key things are said here and they are:
Verse 3- And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
No more curse because it is a New Earth where in the Holy City will be the gates shall not be shut at all for we shall walk in and out of them for the New earth shall be the garden that God desires to walk in again…..this time there will be no serpent but as Isaiah says:
Isaiah 11: 6-9
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
But really this isn’t about where heaven will be but in fact is there day and night before the throne right now until time is to be no more
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RE: Day ~N~ Night in Heaven...hmmm - 11/16/2008 7:50:33 AM
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SUPERDUCK!!
If the point here is that the earth is going to be a paradise and populated with righteous people i tend to agree. Wasnt this Gods original purpose for adam and eve after all?
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RE: Day ~N~ Night in Heaven...hmmm - 11/19/2008 12:47:51 PM
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InHisService9901
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Superduck77
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Well oh great Bible Scholar
A scholar I am not for a scholar is someone whom has gone to school to learn of the word of God naw I am not that....by far I am a child of the most High God....that seeks TRUTH thur studying His anointed word.
quote:
enlighten us at to when and where "Heaven" will be upon the Earth?
Satan is judged and sentenced….
Revelation 20: 10 - 15 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Earth and heavens we are on now pass away which means they are DEAD…
Judgment begins of all humans… verse 12
Revelation 20: 11-12
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works
AFTER THIS: God creates a NEW Heaven and a NEW Earth wherein Righteousness dwell
Revelation 21: 1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Also cross reverence :
Isaiah 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind
Isaiah 66:22
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain
2 Peter 3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
WHY THE NEW: Because this earth and heavens are cursed :
Genesis 3:17-19
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
The heavens are cursed :
Ephesians 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Now God makes a NEW Heaven and a NEW Earth what is next :
Revelation 21: 2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
John sees a HOLY CITY come down from God out of heaven
Revelation 22 Describes the Holy City Two key things are said here and they are:
Verse 3- And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
No more curse because it is a New Earth where in the Holy City will be the gates shall not be shut at all for we shall walk in and out of them for the New earth shall be the garden that God desires to walk in again…..this time there will be no serpent but as Isaiah says:
Isaiah 11: 6-9
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
But really this isn’t about where heaven will be but in fact is there day and night before the throne right now until time is to be no more
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Thinks yall do such a wonderful job...keeping all fourms writters in line and yes even me
I for one think u have done a wonderful job studying the Word of God,and I commend you for that..Many today dont even pick up the Word and read a scripture let alone take the time to study it.
And I know the Lord will bless you for your desire to know Him better..
God bless you and keep up the good work
Sis I did notice one thing in your study that you might want to take a look at..The Great White Throne Judgment is for the lost, not all humans
The Apostle Paul said we would be at the Judgment Seat of Christ
so there is a Judgment held for the saved and one for all lost souls
anyway I think u did a fine job overall
God bless and keep the good work up
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RE: Day ~N~ Night in Heaven...hmmm - 11/19/2008 1:18:36 PM
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Wow superduck, it seems you have proven the Bible wrong; so I guess I will have to renounce my faith. 
May I suggest that you spend that much energy trying to find what Scripture says about you and your relationship with God. Might be more productive.
And tony.nz is correct.
Thanks
RC
rcjames
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Well oh great Bible Scholar please enlighten us at to when and where "Heaven" will be upon the Earth?
Or are you confusing that with the New Jerusalen?
Waiting on baited breath for your answer.
Thanks
RC
Brother may I encourage you with the scripture
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
Eph 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you
Sometimes I think we all fail to realize just what the Lord has done for us, what we were before He had mercy on us and saved our once lost soul, and sometimes we need to be reminded that we are NOTHING BUT BY THE GRACE OF GOD
NOTHING
The only good in us is the Lord
and may I remind u dear brother that we as God's little children are all on the same journey and we need to do all that we can to help one another , by prayer, an encouraging word, the Word of God, and anything else we can do to encourage that brother or sister to Press On
and not give up
life is short, times are hard, the devil is hard at work trying to do all he can to bring down God's children and he will use anyone who is willing
who is willing to do his work...please please think about that
lets encourage one another when ever we possibly can
God bless
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Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ
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RE: Day ~N~ Night in Heaven...hmmm - 11/23/2008 1:51:13 PM
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Superduck77
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I for one think u have done a wonderful job studying the Word of God,and I commend you for that..Many today dont even pick up the Word and read a scripture let alone take the time to study it.
And I know the Lord will bless you for your desire to know Him better..
God bless you and keep up the good work
Thank you so much for this honor i am humbled at your words....it is my desire to know Him so to understand Him and to see in ways that my eyes, heart, soul, body and all my being is filled only with my Jesus
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Sis I did notice one thing in your study that you might want to take a look at..The Great White Throne Judgment is for the lost, not all humans
The Apostle Paul said we would be at the Judgment Seat of Christ
so there is a Judgment held for the saved and one for all lost souls
anyway I think u did a fine job overall
God bless and keep the good work up
I did a boo boo LOL sorry about that I agree with your statement and blushes at my oh well lol thank you for seeing and the correction i agree those standing before the great white throne judgment will be those to be judged or sinners....but it saddens my heart that there will be some to stand there :(
Also agrees with you on encouraging others we as a people are lacking in this dept. God is good, loving, and understanding in much why can not we be as He is seeking out the good and searching the scriptures for nuggets of gold....the word says it is the little foxes that spoil the vine...why not turn it around to our hearts and say it is the little gold nuggets that lift our vine...those hidden passages that one verse that touches you in such a way that you alone see things in....TREASURES
It is the way i see the verses in revelation i still am seeking knowledge on them....not to say aha i disproved or such but more to understand my home above...which we dont hear nuff about
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RE: Day ~N~ Night in Heaven...hmmm - 11/23/2008 2:00:03 PM
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Superduck77
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SUPERDUCK!!
If the point here is that the earth is going to be a paradise and populated with righteous people i tend to agree. Wasnt this Gods original purpose for adam and eve after all?
Smiles the post is about the three verses that bug me into seeking out knowledge in forums (revelation 4:8 ; 7:15; and 12:10)
and the concept of time in as it relates to us humans and God if heaven is on seasonal time until time is no more or such.....dont know i would do with this knowledge maybe its personal for me to see or what but i desire to know truth and more of Jesus
Smiles at your post yes it was designed to be pardise in the start of all this God does desire to walk in the garden again with us and will do so again... thank you for the comments
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