Does a person have to ask in order to receive salvation?
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Does a person have to ask in order to receive salvation? - 11/5/2008 7:20:31 PM
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JefferyT
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Does a person have to ask in order to receive salvation? I know someone who is a very good Christian but feels uncomfortable asking for anything that personal.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/5/2008 10:50:28 PM
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MissInnocent
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The way to receive salvation is through ASKING Jesus to forgive you for your sins and accept Him into your life. Only then can you be a real Christian cause Christian means "Christ with-in." So I'm not seeing how someone can be a good Christian and afraid to ask for salvation.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/10/2008 8:39:22 PM
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To be very specific the salvation is not like jeopardy where the response has to be in the form of a question.
I wrote an article on my webblog www.biblesmack.blogspot.com called "Are you sure?" if you want to go deep.
but essentially from a look at the NT we see the idea of being pierced in your heart, believing IN YOUR HEART and Confessing Christ externally and other reactions to salvation.
You have to experience a time when you were not saved and then you knew that almighty God saved you.
You may respond with periods or questions or explanation pionts!
But no matter what you must be born again.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/11/2008 12:00:57 AM
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Ezra
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Does a person have to ask in order to receive salvation? I know someone who is a very good Christian but feels uncomfortable asking for anything that personal.
The brief answer is "Yes". "Ask and it shall be given unto you".
As to your "very good Christian" friend, unless he comes to the end of himself and sees how desperately he needs to ask the Lord to save him, he cannot be saved. If he is uncomfortable in going to the Redeemer and asking for redemption, he is still unrepentant, since he is self-sufficient. The ones who need salvation are called "the lost" and those who are lost need to ask God in order to find the Way, the Truth and the Life.
The Lord waits for us to invite Him into our souls and lives (Rev. 3:20). Therefore we must "ask" Him to come in, save us and give us the gift of eternal life.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/11/2008 10:15:24 AM
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Salvation is about being willing to give up our own will and accept God's will in our lives. This is contrary to man's nature.
Man's big problem is he wants to be his own boss.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/11/2008 12:44:55 PM
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Ezra
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A few short words don't mean squat if you continue to bear bad fruit.
According to Luke 18:13, a few short words were sufficient in order to be justified, i.e. saved.
And if repentance is genuine, then bad fruit is not an issue. We should never confuse false professors with truly repentant sinners who ask the Lord to save them.
"For whosover shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Rom. 10:11-13). This means asking.
Note carefully what the Lord said to the Samaritan woman: "If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink: THOU WOULDEST HAVE ASKED OF HIM, and He would have given thee living water" (Jn. 4:10).
If this Scripture does not clearly present the need for asking for salvation, then nothing will.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/11/2008 12:56:15 PM
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A few short words don't mean squat if you continue to bear bad fruit.
This is what John MacArthur teaches which makes people think that he's preaching work based salvation. But he is probably right. That most people that go forward to do the altar call really have no clue what they are doing and they believe that going forward is all they need to do then they go off in their merry ways. I do believe that if people genuinely accept Jesus in their lives, it'll show by their fruit. If the person didn't bear any fruit of the spirits in their lifetime, can reciting a few words allow them to enter heaven? Only God would know.
But I do believe that whoever recited those words during the altar call, God will not stop giving them every opportunity to make it real in their lives.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/11/2008 4:11:05 PM
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GraceBro
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Does a person have to ask in order to receive salvation? I know someone who is a very good Christian but feels uncomfortable asking for anything that personal.
No, not necessarily. At the risk of getting lost in the semantics of it all, salvation is a free gift that we receive.
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23
When we accept the gift of the Holy Spirit, we have received the very life of God restored to us. And in that life whe have an eternal inheritance. Part of that inheritance is forgiveness of sins, sanctification, justification, holiness and much more. We, therefore, spend the rest of our natural lives discovering what it is we already have in Christ.
As for your friend, if they have not "asked" for or "received" salvation, they are not a Christian.
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< Message edited by GraceBro -- 11/11/2008 4:17:54 PM >
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/11/2008 10:16:34 PM
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I wasn't trying to say words were unimportant. I was just saying that the words in themselves don't mean much if the following actions counter what was just uttered.
But I agree that God keeps pursuing.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/12/2008 3:23:43 PM
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I'm confused, God looks on the heart, if your friend has made a commitment and is following Christ then he is saved. A public prayer at an altar call is not necessary. However, your friend does need to let others know where he stands with Christ. Is he active in his church, does he produce good fruit, does he proclaim Jesus as Lord of his life? I think the altar call conversion is often (not always) a one time thing that is seen as "fire insurance". Talk to your friend about what it means to be born again.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/12/2008 10:12:24 PM
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Mannamuncher
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I'm confused, God looks on the heart, if your friend has made a commitment and is following Christ then he is saved.
God looks at the heart and sees filth...
Where does the asking come in ?
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/12/2008 10:16:05 PM
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Mannamuncher
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No, not necessarily. At the risk of getting lost in the semantics of it all, salvation is a free gift that we receive.
No, this is a popular teaching, but no.
We are drowning, God rescues us.
No asking, no permission, all God
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As for your friend, if they have not "asked" for or "received" salvation, they are not a Christian.
I have not asked, many folk haven't.
Are we all unsaved ?
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/13/2008 1:18:26 AM
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GraceBro
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Mannamuncher,
This is not the place to hash out your, apparent, disagreements with what I wrote. Please just address the OPs question. I don't have the energy, or the desire, to be lured into some neverending discussion about who is saved and who isn't based on how they accepted Christ. God does have an opinion on the subject. I stated what I believe that to be. I trust you will respect my opinion and agree to disagree with me.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/13/2008 7:27:05 AM
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Mannamuncher
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Mannamuncher,
This is not the place to hash out your, apparent, disagreements with what I wrote. Please just address the OPs question. I don't have the energy, or the desire, to be lured into some neverending discussion about who is saved and who isn't based on how they accepted Christ. God does have an opinion on the subject. I stated what I believe that to be. I trust you will respect my opinion and agree to disagree with me.
Grace and Peace
This is the EXACT place to discuss !!!
How critical is the precision of the pulpit.
A man is trapped in a burning building...
Enormous flames pour out of the structure.
Smoke billows fervently from the edifice.
Firemen with laddertrucks arrive to save.
They force their way into the disaster.
The man is gasping for air and perishing.
Firemen aggressively grab him, and
carry him out of the hellfire to safety.
The man was not asked anything !
There was no permission given to save.
You cannot ask for something
that has already happened, can you ?
Salvation is of the Lord says Jonah.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/13/2008 1:06:44 PM
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drmark
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Does a person have to ask in order to receive salvation? Can a person be saved without knowing it?
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/13/2008 10:51:17 PM
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Mannamuncher
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I believe God is a gentleman and will no go where He is not wanted. Therefore, while a person may not need to ask for salvation they at least need to give God permission to grant them salvation because I don't believe God will force on people something they don't want.
OK, God is a gentlemen. What a strange and unorthodox thing to say about Holy God. So, God is like a well-mannered man ? Sounds like anthropomorphism to me !!! As for permission, it would be helpful if you could illustrate a Biblical example of someone granting permission. There is none !
How about Paul ? I guess you could use him. Yeah, Paul gave God permission to knock him off the horse, blind him, and expose his hypocritical heart...j/k, no way and not even remotely plausible.
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Of course, I guess the argument could be made that God wouldn't try to grant salvation to someone whom He knew didn't want it in the first place 
There is no "TRY" with God...but you are right
in the sense that He chooses in the manner He pleases.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/14/2008 8:38:47 AM
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OK, God is a gentlemen. What a strange and unorthodox thing to say about Holy God. So, God is like a well-mannered man ? Sounds like anthropomorphism to me !!! As for permission, it would be helpful if you could illustrate a Biblical example of someone granting permission. There is none !
Of course its an anthropomorphism!! Due to the limited human abilities God has granted me (without my permission, BTW ) that's the only way I know how to talk about God.
As to your request concerning permission, often we don't see it as permission per se, but as asking God to do something. In the asking granting permission is implied. Some of the people Jesus healed, requested that He heal them. Did not the request imply that they granted Him permission to do so? I admit, though, that some people Jesus healed, He just healed without them even knowing what was coming.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/17/2008 10:07:20 AM
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Mannamuncher
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As to your request concerning permission, often we don't see it as permission per se, but as asking God to do something. In the asking granting permission is implied. Some of the people Jesus healed, requested that He heal them. Did not the request imply that they granted Him permission to do so? I admit, though, that some people Jesus healed, He just healed without them even knowing what was coming.
HUH ?
Why ask God to do what is already done ?
Does a drowning man have to request help ?
Does an injured man ask to go to the hospital ?
What does one actually do anyway ?
"Ask Jesus in their heart ?"
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/17/2008 11:53:30 AM
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greatdivide46
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As to your request concerning permission, often we don't see it as permission per se, but as asking God to do something. In the asking granting permission is implied. Some of the people Jesus healed, requested that He heal them. Did not the request imply that they granted Him permission to do so? I admit, though, that some people Jesus healed, He just healed without them even knowing what was coming.
HUH ?
Why ask God to do what is already done ?
God has already healed me?? You mean all this praying I've been doing is in vain?
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Does a drowning man have to request help ? Sometimes. I've seen a drowning person shouting for help and I helped her.
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Does an injured man ask to go to the hospital ? Depends on if he's conscious or not. I've seen injured people request to be taken to the hospital, although most of the time when someone is injured they automatically expect that they'll be taken to the hospital.
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What does one actually do anyway ?
In relation to what?
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"Ask Jesus in their heart ?"
Personally, I don't think that's Biblical.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/17/2008 2:39:22 PM
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whitepoodle
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Does a person have to ask in order to receive salvation? I know someone who is a very good Christian but feels uncomfortable asking for anything that personal.
I think they have to believe as the thief on the cross did when he simply said "Lord Jesus remember me in your kingdom."
Not everyone knows the protocol or "Christianeese" language of salvation but if they really believe Jesus is Lord they shall be saved.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/17/2008 8:57:33 PM
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NO... a person has to believe the gospel to be saved.
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/18/2008 7:09:05 AM
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greatdivide46
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NO... a person has to believe the gospel to be saved.
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But if a person really believes the gospel, they'll ask, won't they?
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RE: Does a person have to ask in order to receive salva... - 11/18/2008 10:44:30 AM
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drmark
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NO... a person has to believe the gospel to be saved.
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But if a person really believes the gospel, they'll ask, won't they?
So does an unbeliever ask Jesus to be Lord and Savior of their life before they believe the Gospel is true, OR do they believe the Gospel and then ask for salvation?
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