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Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/12/2008 7:32:03 PM
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intenets_user
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How do you distinguish between if your child has dyslexia or if they are just flipping letters around (which is normal in early readers)?
I noticed from an early age with my son that he would read letters of a sign backwards. For example WALMART would be read aloud T-R-A-M-L-A-W. He is in first grade now and has long since stopped doing that but I have noticed that consistently he reads certain words backwards. The main culprits are on and no. He always flips those. Also he has trouble with was.
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/12/2008 7:38:21 PM
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I would say that sounds normal. My kids all got d and b backwards till for their first couple years of school
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/13/2008 9:46:56 AM
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If it's only a few words here and there then I wouldn't be to worried about it. One strategy that I used with my own kids was, when they were reading out loud is that I had them stop when I noticed they flipped a word like on and no and have them tell me what the letter sound at the beginning of that word was. Usually that was all it took to get the child to slow down and actually look at the word as a whole and not just the letters that make up that word. My youngest, for the longest time, and a problem with ME and WE.
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/13/2008 10:24:06 AM
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1st grade boy, I wouldn't worry about it. Just have him "double check" when he goofs up. Maybe he's just going too fast? With b/d and p/q, really there is no reason why they are the way they are. My ds4 is 10yo and still mixes 'em up when writing.
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/13/2008 1:02:49 PM
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First of all reversal of letters is only one form of dyslexia. More often it is using the wrong letter completely or jumbling the letters. It often is paired with writing difficulties, called dysgraphia.
What you are describing is more like what I do when I type or write I get form and from wrong constantly. It's a case of going too fast. His brain is going faster than his mouth, very normal. Just get him to slow down and read more carefully.
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/13/2008 2:30:28 PM
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To the rest of you thank you for the responses. I don't want to overreact but it has just been something in the back of my mind for a while now.
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First of all reversal of letters is only one form of dyslexia. More often it is using the wrong letter completely or jumbling the letters. It often is paired with writing difficulties, called dysgraphia.
What you are describing is more like what I do when I type or write I get form and from wrong constantly. It's a case of going too fast. His brain is going faster than his mouth, very normal. Just get him to slow down and read more carefully.
Kim Q
This is what I think triggered my fear of dyslexia. We have had a few "issues" with my son... so in all the reading I have done I know I have come across this. Not sure why I didn't recall this fact until I just now saw this post.
My son has pretty severe difficulty with writing. He always has. Last year I homeschooled him and we did Handwriting Without Tears. He did okay with it but I wasn't blown away like so many people seem to be. His problem isn't understanding how the letters are to be formed. His problem is executing that. We've worked and worked and worked and worked (and cried a little) and worked some more. His teacher this year has brought in extra help for him.
I will say this though he has gone from barely being able to read at all (only just a few sight words...maybe 25 or so) to really reading quite well with the exception of a few mixups like on for no or vice versa. I'm not certain how many words a minute his reading but I think I'll check for myself tonight.
I'm not overly concerned, just watching closely.
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/14/2008 11:56:59 PM
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Just a really quick thought -- Have you read "Better Late than Early" by Dr. Moore? I read it when I was pregnant with my 2nd and I have thanked God many times for that book. He may come across as a bit extreme, but what a relief it was to know that my 2nd was not "broken". 
Ds#2 at 7 years old consistently wrote his name halfway backward with half capital letters and wanted nothing to do with crayons -- except to make them into rocket ships to fly across the table. At 9 he said, "Mom, I want to learn to read." Six weeks later, he was reading at a 4th grade level.
DS#5, however, is truly dyslexic and dysgraphic. He is 11 and has yet to ever read an entire book on his own. He loves listening to stories and can battle through his schoolwork, but reading is WORK for him, not pleasure. We didn't make the final "diagnosis" (if you want to call it that) until about two years ago. I kept thinking he would grow out of it. He hasn't yet.
One thing I did want to say (from my experience and from hours and hours of research): "sight words" don't work. The only reading program that consistently works for dyslexic kids is a pure, explicit phonics program like the one from this school or the program by Romalda Spaulding: The Writing Road to Reading. Ds#5 sounds each word out from beginning to end every time he sees it. He puts a white card under each line of text so that his eyes aren't pulled to the other lines. He has to read outloud and sound each phonogram to himself in order to recognize the word...and he's gotten 100% 4 days in a row in his Saxon 54 book. Hey, Mom's gotta brag when she can, right??? Letters may escape him, but numbers are his friends!!!
More than likely, your son's struggle will diminish little by little over the next couple of years and by the time he's 9 or 10 you'll be forgetting he ever had a problem. Just keep reading outloud to him -- books which are above grade level so he'll increase his vocabulary and comprehension. Very important.
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/15/2008 10:23:50 AM
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Coming from a special education teacher of students in K-4th grade (and mother of a 5 year old boy): your son sounds rather normal for the mix-ups that he is having at this point at time. If he is still struggling with these same mistakes in a couple of years, I would definitely begin to wonder. We've talked about some of these concerns pertaining to a student of mine; however, for her level of development in reading/writing....she's normal IMO. If one of her age appropriate peers had the same difficulties, I would be more concerned than I am with her at this time. Hope that makes sense!
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/15/2008 6:00:34 PM
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To the rest of you thank you for the responses. I don't want to overreact but it has just been something in the back of my mind for a while now.
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ORIGINAL: ladyingrace1979
First of all reversal of letters is only one form of dyslexia. More often it is using the wrong letter completely or jumbling the letters. It often is paired with writing difficulties, called dysgraphia.
What you are describing is more like what I do when I type or write I get form and from wrong constantly. It's a case of going too fast. His brain is going faster than his mouth, very normal. Just get him to slow down and read more carefully.
Kim Q
This is what I think triggered my fear of dyslexia. We have had a few "issues" with my son... so in all the reading I have done I know I have come across this. Not sure why I didn't recall this fact until I just now saw this post.
My son has pretty severe difficulty with writing. He always has. Last year I homeschooled him and we did Handwriting Without Tears. He did okay with it but I wasn't blown away like so many people seem to be. His problem isn't understanding how the letters are to be formed. His problem is executing that. We've worked and worked and worked and worked (and cried a little) and worked some more. His teacher this year has brought in extra help for him.
I will say this though he has gone from barely being able to read at all (only just a few sight words...maybe 25 or so) to really reading quite well with the exception of a few mixups like on for no or vice versa. I'm not certain how many words a minute his reading but I think I'll check for myself tonight.
I'm not overly concerned, just watching closely.
I'm not impressed with HWT. My oldest has disgraphia, or as her school labeled it visual motor processing disorder. She sees fine, understands how to make the letters and we have been through a lot of handwriting programs. What helped her the most was getting an outside occupational therapy evaluation and help with the physical aspects of writing. Some strengthening exercises, some visual exercises and some adaptations such as having a grip always on her pencil, allowing extra time for written assignments, allowing her to do some assignments orally and she is typing a lot. For math she writes on graph paper. The lines give her a frame for writing. She is now in 8th grade and writing is a challenge for her. But she is getting A's and B's in school. She is no longer receiving therapy because she has progressed so far.
I would ask the school district for an evaluation by special ed services. If this issue also affects his gross motor skills he can be helped a lot from adaptive PE and occupational therapy for the fine motor. I also believe that very young children can learn to type. I find with my daughter that it is finding what allows her to show her intelligence and working with the school early.
Good wishes to you,
Kim Q
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/15/2008 9:12:47 PM
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I would ask the school district for an evaluation by special ed services.
Most school districts will not do an evaluation until a child has been brought to the SIT team and various interventions there have been considered. At least that is how things are here in Kansas.
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/15/2008 11:54:56 PM
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ladyingrace1979
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I was my understanding that under federal law they have to do an evaluation within 50 days of the parent requesting it.
What is a SIT team and who brings a child to them?
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/16/2008 10:15:59 PM
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A child is brought to the SIT team by the general education teacher generally. SIT stands for student improvement team. This website goes into more details about how the SIT process works. As it states, SIT is not the way to "get through" for Special Education Testing/Evaluation. Another website with more details. Here's how Seattle has their SIT set up.
According to the IDEA (aka federal guidelines)...it's a 60 day timeline to complete an evaluation unless the state has established other criteria. Sounds like a state decision to me....
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/17/2008 2:24:29 AM
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The first point on the IDEA site was that the child could be brought by either the parent or the teacher. You don't have to wait for the teacher. That was my point. Often teachers won't ask for a child to be tested, especially in the early years. They will just say the child is just a late bloomer or whatever. They don't want the paperwork, schools don't want to do testing. I had to fight tooth and nail for my oldest one's testing.
If any parent feels there is something not right about their child's learning or development they need to get it checked out, either by the school or by private testers.
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/17/2008 9:25:26 PM
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Many parents aren't aware their child has a problem. Other parents are in denial of the child's exceptionalities. That's why more often than not it comes down to the teacher making the referral and going through various channels to get the child evaluations. It isn't just that simple to do an evaluation---everything has to be documented step by step. Guidelines make it stringent so that not just any "problem child" can go into a special education classroom on an IEP. There's a path to follow. 
Let me just say from an educator's standpoint, I honestly prefer the parents who are helping us with their children's education. It just makes things so much easier if we all work together to educate the child.
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/17/2008 9:36:23 PM
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He is in first grade now? My son was still transposing in first grade and into second.
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/17/2008 10:12:42 PM
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hey i know i may be new to cross walk and only in 9th grade but if he does have any learning disabilities just say "In the name f Jesus learning disabilities leave" and have faith that God will heal him and he WILL be healed from it. that is how we cast out Demons and that is how we cast out diseases. when Jesus rose from the dead God put him in authority over everything including diseases and Demons so if u ask it in His name it will happen. "What you ask in my name and you shall recieve" it doesnt say might recieve. the reason "Faith Healings" arent believed in is because some people dont realy have the Faith it will happen.
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/18/2008 9:10:35 PM
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The IDEA says either can ask for an evaluation.
As far as the special ed. teacher not sending homework...there could be a variety of reasons. 1) She doesn't want to burden parents with extra work or has too many parents unwilling to help their child with homework that it's pointless to send it. 2) She is busy...trust me when I say that our case loads increase all the time! 3) Have you called her to talk to her? I know for me sometimes I plan to call a parent and get interrupted too many times to remember to make the phone call!!!
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He is in first grade now? My son was still transposing in first grade and into second.
That's fairly normal at that stage of the learning development. It is hard. One of this week's spelling words is "on" and I've seen more than one child write "no".
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RE: Dyslexia or normal early reading? - 11/19/2008 12:18:48 AM
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hey i know i may be new to cross walk and only in 9th grade but if he does have any learning disabilities just say "In the name f Jesus learning disabilities leave" and have faith that God will heal him and he WILL be healed from it. that is how we cast out Demons and that is how we cast out diseases. when Jesus rose from the dead God put him in authority over everything including diseases and Demons so if u ask it in His name it will happen. "What you ask in my name and you shall recieve" it doesnt say might recieve. the reason "Faith Healings" arent believed in is because some people dont realy have the Faith it will happen.
I totally believe in faith healings, but I also believe that God gave us doctors to heal us. I think it was Luke who was a doctor. I am not positive, but I know one of them were. I think that prayer is involved in a process like this and God CAN heal, but God can also decide to lead you to a doctor, therapist, or school special ed teacher to do that same work. It isn't a matter of faith or lack of faith. It is what God leads you to do.
This parent has been working with the school and while I am not trying to disrespect your post, I think that it is important that people realize that God is in control and will lead people in the direction they need to go.
As for the transposing, God also gave us a natural learning process and we are wired to learn in certain ways and some kids take a bit longer than others. In my case, it took a bit longer, and we are seeing that with my daughter too. I don't see it as a disease or a demon. Just a process that most likely will work itself out.
I would be worried if your child was transposing more, but this does sound totally normal and I would watch it, but not worry too much. Ask for an evaluation if you feel you need to. Oh and another thing that was a problem for both of my kids was the number 15. I don't know why, but they just couldn't see it or write it properly. But that also resolved itself.
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