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RE: Nova: The Bibles Buried Secrets - 11/19/2008 9:55:30 AM
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demolay
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I scanned the URL. What rubbish.
There was the interview w/ William Dever. "Archeologists can often tell you what happened and when .... No archeologists can tell anyone what it means, and most of us don't try." Then right next to this is a picture with the caption "Thousands of clay figurines like this one suggest that the early Israelites worshipped more than a single God." Oh! So THAT's what they mean!
There are lots of contradictory "suggestions" here. A "suggestion" the Israeli God was derived from Caananite Ashera, or another "suggests" it might be the Medianite YWH (??). What, no agreement amongst the "scholars"? Seems they'll suggest anything but what the Bible says.
I liked the attempt at "what members of clergy" say. They found a muslim praising this as "for all children of Abraham" a work that denies Abraham existed? And Rabbis too? This just shows you can always find somebody to say anything (assuming true interviews here). I noticed they had no "perspectives" by the likes of Ravi Zacharias, RC Sproul, John McArthur, or William Lane Craig. Testimonies from these, which I'm sure would have been "interesting", would have added weight. As it is, they have a list of nobodies with no authority/credibility whatsoever within the community of faithful.
So, under what authority am I to place my faith? Contradictory scholars, who are at least honest enough not to claim proof of anything, or the One who claimed "I am the way and the Truth and the Life" and "All authority in heaven and on Earth has been given to me"? Let me pray about that and I'll get back with you.
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RE: Nova: The Bibles Buried Secrets - 11/19/2008 1:47:04 PM
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Comments?
"Using the most recent advances in the archeology of Palestine and relying on insights from linguistic anthropology, I came to new conclusions about why and when the Bible began to be written down." - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/bible/written.html
"And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel." - Exodus 24:4
It's so confusing! Which authority to believe?!?
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RE: Nova: The Bibles Buried Secrets - 11/22/2008 11:11:11 AM
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All this reminds me of two documentaries on the Bible I watched on the History channel and Discovery channel. Both had their "experts" and they were talking about historical evidence of King Herod killing off the first born in Bethlehem. One scholar said there was no way this was possible because such an act would have generated a paper trail of some kind as where the other scholar said it was entirely possible because this was true to form to his character and, in addition, the tiny town of Bethlehem was not big enough to have raised much of an outcry if at all. Then the same scholar that said that the killings could not have taken place also later said that the Last Supper was pure fabrication. However, he did not give reasons as to why he thought it was fabrication nor why he had issues with it. He just shook his head and said he just did not believe it happened. LOL.
I think no matter how you view the Bible as being 100% true in what it says, depending upon your belief system, you must concede the the Bible is the ONLY religious text in which a scientific discipline has been created which is Biblical Archeology. It is right enough times to do so. Furthermore, there is enough archeological evidence to say that the children of Israel worshiped only one God. Don't let them tell you anything otherwise. In fact, in towns the Israelites sacked there is evidence of the statues being decapitated on mass numbers so as to openly defile and destroy such idols.
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RE: Nova: The Bibles Buried Secrets - 11/24/2008 1:44:29 AM
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Furthermore, there is enough archeological evidence to say that the children of Israel worshiped only one God. Your very own Bible has laws and stories about idolatry. Just going by the Bible, the Israelites worshipped many Gods, 'fell back' into polytheism if you wish to put it that way.
I can't see it because I'm in Australia, but here's what Biblical Archaeology Review has to say about it:
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The producers have done a magnificent job summarizing over a century of biblical archaeology and biblical scholarship in two hours. The film strikes a balance between the old-fashioned biblical archaeology approach, which tried to prove the Bible’s historicity, and the extreme skepticism of some minimalists, for whom the Bible contains little factual history. The documentary reflects the view of most mainstream biblical scholars and archaeologists, namely that the Bible, although a theological work, does contain some historical memories of the ancient Israelites.
The views expressed within this documentary are mainstream. If you've ever seen those ridiculous Jesus Tomb 'docos' or anything else by Simcha Jacobovici, then this is the alternative. By all accounts this is what most archaeologists/scholars believe.
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RE: Nova: The Bibles Buried Secrets - 12/5/2008 4:17:56 PM
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i watched the first half of this show and must say that it is typical of the unbelieving side. i need to finsih watching it to get a complete idea on what they did and how they did it but from what i saw there is nothing new being said.
what would be nice is if christians ,instead of sitting here complaining about these shows, would actually produce an honest documentery that presented the christian side of things without deceit and also present the non-christian side without manipulation. then show the difference between the two.
that would be a lot better than whining about how the non-christians getit wrong all the time. i made a suggestion to one of the heads of associates for biblical research the other day onthe need for true christian lectures on archaeology and how it relates to the bible.
the BAS has many lectures but most of them are done by the non-belieivng scholar or archaeologist which tells you the content and what the conclusion will be. those lectures are great if one needs information or get up to date on the evidence that has been discovered recently but it leaves the christian to sort through the Edited TOS 5 theories to find nuggets of truth.
the other problm is BAS charges way too much money for their product and one has to wait for a sale to get the items at a realistic price.
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RE: Nova: The Bibles Buried Secrets - 12/5/2008 4:27:25 PM
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Both had their "experts" and they were talking about historical evidence of King Herod killing off the first born in Bethlehem. One scholar said there was no way this was possible because such an act would have generated a paper trail of some kind as where the other scholar said it was entirely possible because this was true to form to his character and, in addition, the tiny town of Bethlehem was not big enough to have raised much of an outcry if at all.
when dealing with Herods slaughter of babies one has to take into account the reality. #1. bethleham was not that large; #2 the number of women who had babies would also not be that large; #3 the killing took place in a time of little or no media coverage, or fear controlled the gossip; #4 herod would have controlled what media there was or what was written about it; #5. just because the Bible says there was a slaughter does it imply that thousands of babies were destroyed, the important detail was the attempt to kill Jesus not the number of babies lost. #6 that the non-christian world does not care in the truth and would distort events to fit their purposes; #7 we have limited information thus to draw conclusions beyond what the Bible says is pure folly and wrong.
when it comes to archaeology and ancient history, people draw conclusions from their own religious beliefs, or lack of them, their own personal beliefs, and mostly from the physical evidence discovered. problem is that the physical evidence uncovered is so small that the conclusions drawn are more often based upon conjecture NOT fact.
we see this happening with israel finkelstein and neil asher silberman along with cline, dever and many other archaeologists who do not believe the Bible all the time. K. A. Kitchen's book, The Bible In Its World, describes the amount of evidence we really get and you would be surprised at how little it really is.
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RE: Nova: The Bibles Buried Secrets - 12/6/2008 9:56:32 AM
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RE: Nova: The Bibles Buried Secrets - 12/6/2008 11:44:37 AM
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ot4christ
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Anyone watch it? Comments?
Thanks for sharing the link to the documentary. While I disagree with many of the conclusions, I thought it was “okay” for a secular project and was surprised that it included some of the strong evidences regarding the historicity of certain aspects of the Hebrew bible and the people.
Here are some excerpts from the producer of the film:
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"The Bible's Buried Secrets" synthesizes decades of work in biblical archeology and provides an illustration of the scientific process at work. It shows how researchers pursue evidence and refine their ideas as new information emerges. Biblical archeology—the study of biblical lands and times based on material evidence—is a peer-reviewed field that uses a host of scientific techniques to date and analyze artifacts.
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NOVA is certainly not out to disprove the Bible or to denigrate anyone's religious convictions. Our approach is simply to present the results of mainstream, peer-reviewed biblical archeology and let viewers draw their own conclusions. Guided by our scholars, we look for archeological and historical evidence outside of the Bible, such as ancient inscriptions and artifacts, and examine how well this evidence corresponds to what is written in the Bible.
As it turns out, the film reports on a number of cases in which archeology backs up what we find in the Bible.
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In cases in which no evidence has emerged for events described in the Bible, we simply state that fact. We acknowledge that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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Unfortunately, without even seeing "The Bible's Buried Secrets," some groups have decided to attack it, based on a misguided view that it aims to disprove the Bible or challenge their deeply held religious beliefs. Nothing could be further from the truth. The perspective of "The Bible's Buried Secrets" is consistent with modern scholarship and the teachings of mainstream religious traditions. I hope that when those individuals who have attacked the program watch the broadcast, they will find it a thoughtful presentation of biblical archeology that enriches our understanding of the Hebrew Bible and the ancient people whose story it tells.
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