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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/1/2008 3:55:54 PM
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It was Full, The 14th of a biblical month is always the opposite of the renewed moon.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/1/2008 4:04:51 PM
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They (we) left Egypt by the light of the moon. How cool is that? lol.
Course they had their own torch (lapidoth); Pillar of Fire.
Exodus 12:6
And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month:
and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in
the evening. (KJV) Also; Lev. 23:4-5
The first day of the month is designated by the "new moon."
The 14/15 then falls on a "full moon." As does Sukkot.
Leviticus 23:34
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this
seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days
unto the LORD. (KJV)
< Message edited by Lapidoth -- 7/1/2008 4:15:10 PM >
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/1/2008 4:52:18 PM
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Hi Fritz, cannot tell you what phase the moon was in but can suggest check chabad.org which may have that archived, as they also post a weekly time for Shabbat beginning and ending, or if the First Fruits of Zion web site has their E-rosh archived, it would be per month, www.ffoz.org. Shalom..
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/1/2008 7:44:38 PM
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Just to add a little to the great information you have already been given, the monthly calendar is invariably a lunar calendar. Initially, the first day of a month has always begun in the evening on the day the new moon was confirmed. Later, as a basic pattern was confirmed, while they still began the month by a witness who confirmed the new moon, they made a written calendar. Now, most people go by the written calendar.
However, as obviously would have happened when the months are based upon the moon, the seasons began to shift into months they could not be in. As a result, an additional month, Adar II, is added in order to reset the months into their proper times, in order to make sure that the holy days are in their correct yearly times.
But no matter what, since the months were always determined by the moon, the new moon was the 1st, and the full moon is always in the middle of the month.
There's a lot more about the calendar -- more than you would even want to know!  ! There are full-size books on the subject!
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/10/2008 2:11:40 PM
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Any caveats on studying the Talmud or things like Rashi's commentary?
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/11/2008 2:22:09 PM
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[Acts 8:38] Philip baptizes eunuch.
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"When Philip baptized the eunuch he placed his hand on the eunuch's head
to hold him under water, forcing a struggle to come out of the water as a
reminder of the dying to self and the new birth, paralleling a newborn baby's
struggle in birth."
Apparently there is a custom or tradition I haven't heard of yet.
Speaking about the Talmud above, is this a tradition born from the rabbinical
school? I was joking this morning in study that if we took on this practice, we
couldn't explain it before baptism for they wouldn't want to be baptized, and
when we explained it afterwards, the baptizee would probably be angry.
It's a novel idea any way. The temptation is there to try it. lol.
Hold them down until they're about to drown to symbolize a real death unto
the flesh. lol.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/11/2008 3:45:55 PM
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ORIGINAL: p31woman
Any caveats on studying the Talmud or things like Rashi's commentary?
I think Yeshua and Paul did. Much of what they say makes more sense when viewed in light of Talmudic tradition. Look at Paul's reference to Janus and Jambrees. That is not recorded anywhere else in the Scriptures. As long as it is viewed as commentary or historical backgrouind, I see no problem with using those resources.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/11/2008 6:22:32 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
[Acts 8:38] Philip baptizes eunuch.
quote:
"When Philip baptized the eunuch he placed his hand on the eunuch's head
to hold him under water, forcing a struggle to come out of the water as a
reminder of the dying to self and the new birth, paralleling a newborn baby's
struggle in birth."
Reminds me of the old joke about the pastor who dipped thrice (when was the last time you heard or read that wird -- thrice?) Anyway, she came up the first time and shouted, "I believe!" He dunked her again, and again, she came up shouting, "I believe!" And when she came up the third time, she shouted, "I believe you're trying to drown me, you scoundrel!"
But regarding the quote above: where did you read that? Did I somehow miss it here? I really am not prepared to believe it. I have never seen that before -- not that I have read it all, but it just doesn't strike me s correct. (Forgive me, whomever originally wrote it here!)
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/14/2008 4:17:17 PM
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Lapidoth
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It was in the "Power New Testament"
The forward said it was advised and contributed to
by a number of rabbis and friends. I'd never heard
of it before either, so I was wondering if it was something
I just hadn't come across yet.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/14/2008 4:20:21 PM
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Lapidoth
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"I believe!" He dunked her again, and again, she came up shouting, "I believe!" And when she came up the third time, she shouted, "I believe you're trying to drown me,
I had heard a similar joke too. lol.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/15/2008 12:40:22 PM
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Does anyone know if anyone makes a Star of David/Cross symbol? I'd like to know too if anyone here has one.
My girlfriend has a necklace like that. I believe her husband bought it for her from one of the local jewelry stores. It is a Star of David, with the cross in the center of it. Quite pretty.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/15/2008 2:27:43 PM
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Christianbook.com has a lot of Judaica and gifts, too.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/25/2008 12:46:01 PM
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Lapidoth
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Shalom
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/25/2008 1:26:00 PM
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Well, shalom to you, Lap! 
So, when all of you attend services tonight and/or tomorrow, what do you expect? What do you most look forward to? What will it be like where you worship publicly?
Just to start, I will answer my own questions.
We don't have services on Friday evenings, because we reserve that time for the family. Not a religious statement -- just what we do here.
Tomorrow, I will show up at services just before 10:30 am. Lots of people to greet, chat with, etc. Then service begins with congregational singing. Accompanying us will be keyboard, two or three guitars, drums, and bongos -- usually -- along with the music leader on his various instruments, usually trumpet, flugelhorn, or something similar. The worship team is usually either four or three persons. And the rest of us join in. I love the music.
Following this is the liturgy, which we all pray from the same siddur. There are various such activities included in the liturgy as (especially) the Sh'ma, praying for the sick, etc.
But the main thing I look forward to is the teaching. In fact, when I first started going, I would skip all the other parts and just show up for the teaching. This is followed by more liturgy, including blessing G-d with those who have lost loved ones.
Most stay for lunch afterward, and activities continue all day, including more teaching.
I look forward to Sabbath more than any other such activities, and the great part of that is we only have to wait six days for it! Yes! A weekly gift!! Bless the L-rd, He gives us the best 52 times a year!!
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/25/2008 2:29:24 PM
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Abiyah,
Your enthusiasm and excitement for Shabbat is obvious.! Me too. My favorite time of the week.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/25/2008 3:54:37 PM
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It is the best time of the week.
And it causes me to acknowledge and recognize
One and Only True Creator. Even when we swim
in the pool, I sometimes get to join the kids, I go
over the creation with them pointing to the clouds,
birds, animals, trees, etc. I like to carry Sabbath
with me every day.
We quit having Friday night meetings.
So, we meet about 9:30 am and visit.
Then we have a class at 10:00 am.
Right now, we're still watching DVD's on the Feasts of Yhvh.
Then we take a break, sing some songs.
Then, right now, I'm breaking down the book of Hebrews
verse by verse. We're in chapter ten right now. I've been
working on chapter eleven, it's hard to keep it to a minimum
so I don't go over every one's heads. (i.e. "bore them") lol.
Then we can either go home which some do.
Or, they hang around to visit more. Since I'm the pastor it's
hard for me to just leave. lol. Sometimes I'd like to head right
out the door and hit the Sabbath Couch.
The last few weeks we've had visitors that want to argue the
Sacred Name Only arguments. lol. The first batch of SNO's
have left, but this group is hanging around. They seem to be
able to love and fellowship without agreeing on ever jot and
tittle. But they do seem to be on a SNO mission. LOL.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/25/2008 4:04:57 PM
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Jewish Mothers Q&A
Q. What is a genius?
A. An average student with a Jewish Mother.
Q. What did the Jewish Mother bank teller say to her customer?
A. You never write, you never call, you only come to see me when you need money.
Q. What did the Jewish Mother ask her daughter when she told her she had an affair?
A. Who catered it?
Q. What is the most common disease transmitted by Jewish Mothers?
A. Guilt
Q. What kind of cigarettes do Jewish Mothers smoke?
A. Gefiltered
Q. Why did the Jewish Mother want to be buried near Bloomingdale's?
A. So her daughter would visit twice a week
Q. Why do Jewish Mothers make great parole officers?
A. They never let anyone finish a sentence.
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 7/25/2008 4:10:34 PM
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Synagogue Services
One Saturday morning, the rabbi noticed little David was staring up at the large plaque that hung in the foyer of the synagogue. It was covered with names, and small American flags were mounted on either side of it.
The seven-year old had been staring at the plaque for some time, so The rabbi walked up, stood beside the boy, and said quietly, "Good morning David."
"Good morning rabbi," replied the young man, still focused on the plaque.
"Rabbi, what is this?" Alex asked.
"Well, son, it's a memorial to all the young men and women who died in the service."
Soberly, they stood together, staring at the large plaque. Little David's voice was barely audible when he asked, "Which one, the Friday night or the Saturday service?
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RE: Messianic Fellowship-Sivan 5768 - 8/1/2008 2:51:09 PM
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===========================
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Last Supper
Every year, just before Easter, the Chief Rabbi in Rome goes to the Vatican and presents an ancient, and by now quite tattered envelope to the Pope. The Pope inspects the envelope, shakes his head, and hands it back to the Chief Rabbi, who then departs.
This has been going on for nearly two thousand years. One year recently, it happened that there was a new Pope and a new Chief Rabbi. When the Chief Rabbi presented the ancient envelope to the Pope, as he had been instructed to do by his predecessor, the Pope looked it over and handed it back as he had been told to, in turn, by his predecessor . . . but then the Pope said, "This is an unusual ritual. I don't understand it. What is in this envelope?"
"I should know?" answered the Chief Rabbi. "I'm new here myself. But, hey, let's open it and find out."
"Good idea," said the Pope. So together, they slowly and carefully opened the envelope. And do you know what they found?
The caterer's bill for the Last Supper!
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